Tuesday, October 30, 2007

Not More Genarlow!!!

It’s a shame to waste a second day on Genarlow Wilson. I don’t think he deserved nine grand. I certainly don’t think he warrants two posts. But as Anonymous stated, you all were busy little bees yesterday, and now I need to say my piece.

Mr. Antagonist, I’m gonna have to adamantly disagree with you on several issues.

First, I realize degenerate is a harsh term, and I don’t usually throw it around lightly. Shoplifters, pot smokers, etc. I wouldn’t necessarily label degenerates. They could be good kids that made a couple of bad choices.

But Genarlow Wilson was accused of raping one girl and molesting another in incidents stemming from the same party. He had sex with an unconscious 17-year-old. He used his influence as an athlete and older man to pressure a child into oral sex. And he and his buddies videotaped the whole thing. Classy.

Perhaps worst of all, he wasn’t willing to admit that what he did was wrong. The other guys on the tape took plea bargains and didn’t serve any prison time. Mr. Wilson refused to do so (thanks for the extra research, Zizzle-Zot Historian P Corcs). Was it pride, ego, lack of conscience? I don’t know the answer.

I’ve always assumed a good standard for decency was to never be accused of criminal sexual misconduct (whether that be rape, molestation, etc.). Most people go through their entire lives without a single accusation (shocking, I know). This guy was accused twice in one night. What’s your definition of degenerate?

I think we’ll all agree that the law was silly and the sentence harsh. This is where several readers were hung up, and therefore missed the point. No one thinks there should be a ten year sentence for oral sex.

The fact is that Mr. Wilson broke the law. Mr. Antagonist, you’re right to say that sentences aren’t handed out by computers. We need to use a little common sense. But in this case the judge’s hands were tied. The law that Mr. Wilson was found guilty of (because he refused to take a plea) had a mandatory sentence tied to it. This was a flaw in the law, no doubt (and one that has since been corrected), but it was law nonetheless.

Judges aren’t allowed to be relative when there are mandatory sentences. In some ways this is a good thing. At what point would it end? If a guy gets murdered, but the judge decides he really deserved it, should the murderer get a lesser sentence? Of course not (this was hyperbole – I don’t want any outrage that I’m comparing Genarlow to a murderer).

Truth be told, if I were writing this post and Mr. Wilson were still locked up, I would be arguing the other side of the issue completely. I would be screaming for his release. The law was absurd.

But that’s not the point. This whole legal issue is peripheral. One more time, so everyone’s on the same page: The law was wrong. It was ridiculous. Moving on.

As P Corcs was starting to get at (I like your style, P Corcs. Nice fact-finding, great sarcasm), Mr. Wilson did nothing to deserve the money that was given to him, and therein lies my problem.

Mr. Antagonist, you say that “they are giving him the money because he was wrongly imprisoned for two years.” There are people convicted of crimes and exonerated by DNA evidence years later. They were innocent all along. These people were wrongly imprisoned.

Mr. Wilson broke the law. There was a videotape of him breaking the law. There was a mandatory sentence. He wasn’t wrongly imprisoned. The law was wrong, but his imprisonment wasn’t wrongful. Un-just? Yes. Silly? Yes. A waste of everybody’s time and money? Yes. But not wrongful.

I realize there are some gaps in the sequence, but look at the cause/effect relationship of the events and it’s hard to deny that Mr. Wilson is receiving $9,000 for getting a beej. Instigating action: Mr. Wilson gets some lovin’. Final outcome: Mr. Wilson gets $9,000.

The fact that the money isn’t coming out of my taxes doesn’t rectify the situation in my eyes. The problem is that he’s getting scholarship money at all.

I’m arguing the principle.

There are millions of deserving kids worldwide that can’t afford to go to college. Kids that worked hard and stayed out of trouble, but for whatever reason the cards have been stacked against them. These kids will slip through the cracks. They will spend their lives in poverty and no one will ever know their names.

What do these kids need to do to get the same national exposure? How do they get the extra assistance that Mr. Wilson has been offered?

These kids will be forever forgotten because publicity seeking dumbasses (like Jesse Jackson) would rather reward convicted criminals.

That’s the point. As P Corcs points out, the money isn’t unlimited. I’m not outraged as a tax payer, or as a legal-eagle. I’m outraged as a human being. I’m outraged that some brilliant young man or woman will spend a lifetime working in a factory because Genarlow Wilson, the man who got together with his buddies to videotape a 15-year-old performing oral sex, was given the money that he/she had worked so hard to earn.

I know I’m coming off a little bullish on the issue, but sometimes I get tired of playing moderate.

Thanks for reading.

PS. Mr. Antagonist, apologies for not commenting on your blog yet. I assure you that I read it the day you posted, but have spent the time since digesting. I promise I’ll get there.

19 comments:

Anonymous said...

Well, not much else to say. I agreed with you yesterday Gruber and I agree even more so today.

Nuff said!

Anonymous said...

Sometimes I like angry Gruber. He's so cute when his face gets all red and his voice changes to a little annoyance mixed in with a little anticipation.

Anonymous said...

I like po'ed grub daddy! I do have to say that i am somewhat middle of the road on the subject though.

I guess somewhat because when i think of a few of my buddies back in high-school and how i would feel if they went to jail for getting a BJ from a 15 year old i guess i would be pretty pissed. I know that what he did was illegal, but i guess after seeing this kid have to give up his senior year and two years of his life for a mistake (yes i know a bad one) it just makes me feel a little for him. I'm not saying he shouldn't have been punished but i don't know i guess i just think it was real harsh.

Also, the video taping made everything worse but it isn't the reason he is in jail, and who is to say that he video taped it anyways. The kid did some real shitty stuff that night, but i still wouldn't classify him as a degenerate. It's pretty harsh in my opinion to classify him as that based off of one BAD night. He was never trying to say he didn't get a BJ he was trying to just say that it was consensual(which the 15 year old admitted too and also she admitted to not being drunk) . In fact the girl told the court that she initiated the oral sex. Now obviously you can argue that she is too young to make these decisions, which i also belive, but we all know enough seniors that if a sophmore was at a party where they were drunk and she said she wanted to blow them they most likely wouldn't refuse.

I know i am probably coming off as supporting what the kid did, which i don't, but what i guess i am trying to say that i don't believe that it's right to label him degenerate.

As for the money and others that deserve it, well i guess we all spend money on worthless shit all the time and not one person here can say they don't (well they could but it's not true), so if some people want to give this kid some flow out of pitty so he can go to college then good for them. I wouldn't give my money to him, but if they want to then who am i to really give a shit less.

Like i said earlier, the kid gave up two years of his life in prison, his senior year, has to file as a sex offender and all for a BJ and now $9000. I sure as hell don't think the 9 grand or a 100 grand is worth it, but if you do let me know and i'll fork over 9 grand if you'd like to give it a go.


In conclusion what he really should have done is instead of getting a BJ he should have just humped her. Then it would have been a misdemenor (sp?) and he would have had a year at most.

I know this dosn't all make sense and is a lot of jibberish but that's how i roll bitch.

Zizzle-Zot said...

DEGENERATE (N. di-jen-er-it) noun

1. a person who has declined, as in morals or character, from a type or standard considered normal.

2. a person or thing that reverts to an earlier stage of culture, development, or evolution.

3. a sexual deviate.

This is not Zizzle-Zot's definition. This is from the dictionary.

Has Genarlow Wilson declined in morality from a standard considered normal? (I remind everyone that he had sex with a blacked-out 17-year-old). Yes.

Could Genarlow Wilson be called a sexual deviate (I remind everyone that he videotaped himself engaging in oral sex, with a group of his buddies watching). Yes.

I realize this is largely an issue of semantics, and I never intended the label "degenerate" to cause such an uproar, but according to the dictionary definition, Genarlow Wilson is a degenerate.

Zizzle-Zot said...

Then again, it all depends on what the definition of "is" is.

Anonymous said...

Grubes,

You'll be the degenerate one when you see what Genarlow does with his life.

I'll bet someday when he finishes his grad studies at Yale, he'll probably go on to be the CEO of a Billion dollar company and you'll be serving his kids in the drive through on there trips to Aspen.

Anonymous said...

PS...as fun as all the dabating is, does anybody else think we've all wasted too much time on this shmuck!

Zizzle-Zot said...

I absolutely do. Especially considering we'll never hear from him again (until he's covering Calvin Johnson in the NFL).

Anonymous said...

yeah good point...

Anonymous said...

I like toast with apple butter!

PS. It is almost time for November reader of the month!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

I hope my post says "swajac" today instead of "anonymous" like it did yesterday...

You guys are silly.

Pat, you also like toast with yogurt!

Anonymous said...

Yes I do. Yoplait Custard Style to be exact.

Anonymous said...

My favorite Yogurt is what I like to call "Jogurt" I think you all can piece together what I mean!

Anonymous said...

To be honest, I don't like yogurt at all. However I do like "the office" olympics using the yogurt lids as medals.

Chris...Do you believe in God?

Me...I believe in God.

Anonymous said...

jogurt...cassel that's the funniest thing i've seen in a while

The Friendly Liberal said...

Oh great, now that you've all reached the consensus that it's totally uncool to keep talking about this guy...

Although in defense of this chatter, we are using this DEGENERATE to talk about much grander themes and I find that worthwhile.

Grubes, this is such a strange debate, because we are so close to agreeing with eachother, but where we differ seems to be the crux of your argument. I'll go ahead and concede that this guy, assuming your account is accurate, is a maggot eating, snot dripping, pimple popping, rude, crude, fart factory! (Hook anyone?) Although I think it's silly to get hung up on a single term, I'll even agree that he's a degenerate.

One quick thing to point out...

He was wrongfully imprisoned, if not by legal definition, than by a common language understanding. (Aka, you know what I mean)

The real problem you seem to have is with the idea of entitlement. I agree with you to some extent. I think the way we distribute scholorships and the overall way we admit students to college is flawed. Why this guy? Why not someone more deserving? This is a completely fair criticism.

But I have to point out that there are countless examples of other students that showcase this problem. I know I'm just repeating myself, but obviously certain people have a different opinion than you of this man's charachter and whether or not he deserves a scholorship. That's their perogative. It's their money. Who else should decide such a thing?

See, this is what's so strange...I don't think he deserves the money either. I mean, I understand why it was given to him, but if someone came knocking on my door and asked me to donate to this kid's college fund, I would say what you would say: "No, there are far more deserving people out there."

I guess why I am so "up in arms" about this post is not necessarily what you are arguing, but what you are choosing to argue about. You appear to be more outraged by the 9,000 dollars given to this kid, than you are about the fact that this dude unjustly spent 2 years in prison because of an over-reactive, uncompromising legal system.

It's a question of priority, I suppose.

The fact that this guy recieved 9,000 greenbacks doesn't affect me in the least. A mixed up legal system does. If you wanted to do a post on entitlement, scholorships, or how people waste their money in general...then we probably wouldn't disagree on anything.

Well, that's not true. I'm in favor of affirmative action. That's right...bring it chumps!

The Friendly Liberal said...

I just wanted to better outline one point.

Damnit Gruber, you are a friggin' pusherman. Look at me? I've got the itch. It's taken over completely.

Anyway...

I just wanted to better ask the question of whether it was right to give this kid the money. Let's be honest, if 9,000 dollars wasn't given to this guy, then it wouldn't have been raised in the first place. He wasn't taking anyone else's money. The sad fact is, people need a tragedy to be in their face before they react. These particular lawmakers were probably intimate with this case and so they felt the need to act. Was it entirely undeserved? Come on fellas...have some compassion. He might not have been at the top of the list, but it's not like he's completely unworthy of assistance. I don't think it's crazy to assume that this money was not filtered in from other charitable causes, but instead replaced luxury purchases.

You can rail against the fact that our society isn't nearly as giving as we should be, but the enemy isn't Genarlow. He's not hogging the teat. If you think it was downright wrong to give him any money at all, well that's a different debate and one that has somewhat cruel insinuations.

Cut me loose, pull the plug, and set me free dear Gruber.

Zizzle-Zot said...

Mr. Antagonist, I appreciate the concession the Genarlow Wilson isn't a stand-up guy. In all honesty, the initial use of the label degenerate was reactionary to begin with. I just couldn't tolerate that this guy was seen as a victim (I wonder if the females he abused were given scholarships, as well).

I'll also admit that my "wrongful imprisonment" argument was largely a word game.

As far as affirmative action goes, I'd have to say that I'm somewhere between in the middle and undecided. It's noble in theory, but seems to be somewhat of a mess in practice.

If we take an honest look at the state of our culture, it's absolutely necessary for the survival of America. I'll say that the same is true for an overhaul of the legal system. The unfortunate reality of Genarlow's mandatory sentence is that he was far more likely to be criminally minded coming out than when he went in.

You're right when you conclude my argument boils down to entitlement. And this issue, while highlighted in this debate, goes far beyond Genarlow Wilson. In my eyes, it's the primary problem with affirmative action, welfare, etc.

These are important government programs to lift the struggling out of poverty, but they are seen as free handouts. All too often they are free handouts.

These programs should come with certain expectations. The recipients should be given responsibilities. I've seen from personal experience that the programs allow themselves to be abused and exploited.

Maybe a post for another day...

Happy Halloween!

Jogurt...that's good.

Anonymous said...

Affirmative Action is definately a post by itself followed by lots of discussion and maybe a few more posts.

FYI. New record for posts. 19!! So far...