P Corcs, thanks for bringing that delightful video and all its paranoia inspiring, New World Order preaching, speculatively reasonable conspiracy theories to our attention. Conversation was inevitable, and that’s exactly what we here at Zizzle-Zot, etc. thrive on.
I’ve seen some of these theories in the past (the North American Union, implanted ID chips) and some are new to me (the involvement of the Rockefellers).
Some I agree with, particularly the opening segment concerning the educational system. Government regulated education, most notably questionable legislation such as No Child Left Behind, has served the sole purpose of making us stupid. By forcing educators to neglect the passage of actual knowledge because the emphasis is placed on preparation for standardized tests aimed at the lowest denominator, the government has repressed the maturation of bright young minds and subverted the ability of teachers to do what they do; that is, teach.
Some of the theories are absurd. A North American Union will never happen. We’re much too proud, much too nationalistic, and quite frankly, much too powerful to ever align ourselves with Canada and Mexico. The European Union was formed because it was mutually beneficial for the countries involved. It took a number of small, relatively insignificant countries and bound them into an economic powerhouse. What would the US have to gain by partnering with Canada and Mexico (aside from access to a few natural resources)? Mexico would quickly become a financial burden, Canada, I imagine, would continue to operate as it does now (autonomously, but by following our lead). There’s simply no incentive.
And some of the theories exist in shades of grey. These are the theories that hold the most interest.
Late Night, you seem awfully convinced that we are too “smart” to hand the government our liberties. But are we really?
One of the primary DFL issues in the upcoming election is universal health care. I’ll admit that I’m an advocate. But what does this legislation really do but strip us of small freedoms: the freedom to choose what doctor we see, what hospital we visit?
After 9/11 there was overwhelming public support for the Patriot Act (you were anti-American if you opposed it – but don’t look at me, I screamed foul all along: http://erikgruber.blogspot.com/2007/08/shhhtheyre-listening.html). This legislation gave the government the right to spy on Americans without a warrant, amongst other things. Again, we willingly gave up our freedoms.
Every year the government takes a large chunk of the money that we earn, and ultimately we have no say about where that money goes. I don’t want my tax money supporting war, but the powers that be don’t care. They take that money out of my paycheck, depriving me of the liberty to choose where I spend the money I worked for.
We willingly give up our liberties on a daily basis.
The government controls fiscal policy, ranging from interest rates to (I suspect) the price of gasoline. We’re prisoners of fear, and on a practical level our greatest fears are economic.
Think about this: we are prisoners of debt.
What are the real necessities of life? Food, water, shelter. Let’s focus on that last one: shelter. How do we provide shelter for ourselves, or more importantly, for our families? There are two options: we can rent, but if we don’t own our shelter we don’t own our lives, or ourselves. We are at the whim of landlords, developers, and the government. We could be thrown on the street at a moment’s notice and have nothing to show for it. It’s essential that we own our shelter, so we buy, and by doing so we go into debt.
How will we pay off that debt? We need a job, but in order to get that job we need education. More debt. Now we have the job, how will we get there? We need transportation. More debt. It goes on in this manner to infinity.
Living this way, constantly struggling to catch up to our debts, constrains our world view. We can’t see beyond “I need to work to pay off my debt or I won’t be able to buy the next thing I need.” We sacrifice our connection to reality and life at the entirely theoretical altar of money.
And who controls the money that we have sacrificed our liberty to? That’s right, the government.
Let’s not delude ourselves into thinking that we have ownership of our lives. As long as we’re buried beneath debt we are simply on loan. We’re owned by the banks, which are ultimately owned by the government. We already have chips, but instead of being implanted they come in the form of credit cards, bank statements and bills. Don’t be overly confident that the government can’t already turn your “chips” off as they see fit. They have the authority to freeze your assets. Are the two not synonymous? By giving our consent to taxation (over which we have no control) and our participation in the American economic system, we have willingly and readily given up our liberty.
Now think about this: we are blind participants in perpetual warfare. Following WWII we established Israel; superficially to allow the Jews to return to their homeland and to right the injustices that had been inflicted upon them, but secretly to place a proxy army in the heart of an extremely important economic zone. Surely we must have known that displacing millions of Arabs and allowing Jews to move in would inevitably lead to bloody conflict and was, lawfully speaking, dubious at best. But we also knew that by creating and funding a powerful army in this region we could propagate division and chaos, allowing us to maintain an iron grip through our own wealth and military might.
I’ve written at length on this topic in my “A (Very) Brief History of the Middle East” series, but to revisit: what was our reasoning when we invaded Iraq? The country was not a terrorist hotbed until we got there. Compared to some Middle Eastern nations they were relatively stable (see Afghanistan, Pakistan). Yes, Saddam Hussein had committed crimes against humanity, but so have Kim Jong Il, Omar al-Bashir of Sudan, and countless other leaders throughout history that the US hasn’t hastened to remove.
I won’t take it so far as some and suggest outright that 9/11 was a conspiracy. But I will suggest that our motivations in the Middle East are more insidious than we would like to imagine. And who is it that funds these conflicts? That’s right, we do. MLK once said “He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it.” By helping to fund war, I am consenting to war, and am being made an unwilling participant in war.
Liberty my ass.
Well my friends, we’ve been many places together, and for today at least we’re firmly entrenched in the fringes of society. If later tonight you’re on the phone and you hear an extra click, be very careful. They’re listening.
Thanks for reading.
PS I didn’t get a chance to watch the extended videos you linked to, PCorcs, but have every intention of doing so today. I’m sure they will spark more discussion.
Wednesday, March 5, 2008
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Joe is going to be mad at me that I read the post before lunch. But he is gone right now and I don't even know if he'll be back for lunch, so screw him.
Anyway, I'm totally with you on the slave to debt theme. It is overwhelming from the individual level all the way to the government. The last video I posted talks directly about the federal reserve. I'm going to hold back my opinions for now, but everyone should for sure watch that video. I will say it is hard for me not to agree or at least acknowledge a lot of what is said in that video.
We have all said it all along that the media controls and influences our country. Why is it so hard to believe that a few control the media and that there purposes might not be to the best interest for us? What do they care for the people of the country? If there is one thing that history shows it is that corruption in high places has, does, and always will occur and probably more often than not. Can we honestly think to ourselves right now that the people with the most power honestly have all of our best interests in mind? That would be bull shnit. Those in power usually seek more power, no matter how powerful they already are.
On the North American Union.... I isn't too hard for me to believe it is a possibility. Just going by biblical themes, there is a strong group that believes the world will move towards a one world governement before the end, why couldn't this be the start of it?
As far as the patriot act goes, I know I was in support of it because I said that I didn't care if the government listened to me because I have nothing to hide. But as time passes, i think more and more, what will they take next? At some point we do have to make a stand and say these are our rights, you have too much power over us, I want my life back. The more programs implemented (like the universal health care), the more taxes that are taken, the more we say I don't care, just make this country a place where I can work a 9-5, raise a family, have BBQs on the weekends then I'm fine... do whatever you have to to make that happen as long as I don't have to worry about it. People see that as freedom, but could that be seen as being enslaved to the the medias portrayal of the "american life"? I don't know I guess. It seems like a fine life to me? Have I been indoctrinated? I just have to make sure I stop myself before I dive neck deep in consiracy theory nerdism and my wife divorces me.
Good post Gruber but I have a couple Comments on it.
You say the North American Union can never happen but Bush has already taken steps to make it happen, without the approval of congress or the knowing of the people. I believe the reason why is because the people behind the media don't want you to know. Just watch the U.S. Dollar keep weakening till its worth nothing and then tell me there is no incentive to join forces with Canada and Mexico and create the amero.
Watch the longer video on the Federal Reserve System and tell me that the government controls the money when in fact it is a private corporation who loans the money to the government. I have more to say about that but it can wait.
Good comments on debt which I agree with but the biggest person in debt is our country itself who is primarily in debt to the FED.
Gruber to talk about how we are perpetually blind to war can not be more true then the "war on terror" which has no real enemy because the enemy can always change. My guess is that Chavez and Ahmadinejad will soon be consider a terrorist and we'll go after them.
My final thought is about chips and the eventual implanting of these chips. We know what revelations says pertaining to this topic and in fact every new american passport has an RFID chip that shows your exact location all the time. My dad along with the Veterinarian community started the tread as a tracking and Identification tool and now has made the jump to humans who have started voluntarily chipping their family. Your take that chips are credit cards isn't what the video was talking about but your analogy works in the current time period.
Overall I liked getting involved in this topic. Call me a conspiracy theorist (maybe I am) but I do believe the people at the top ( that includes the Rockefellers) could have pulled off 9/11 in order to achieve their ultimate goal of a NEW WORLD ORDER and ultimately bring about Armageddon. Just wonder who the Anti-Christ could be Obama seems to be unifying the masses pretty well. J/k Don't think it will be in our life time.
Surprised they haven't considered this blog a terrorist hot bed an had it shut down. I mean they could. They can do anything.
P.S. P Corcs- You stop paying your Federal Income Tax cause I sure won't pay it ever again.
Hollywood Hallstrom
Good comments and good post zizzle (I'm using these parenthesis because I've read some of your posts and noticed you use them a bit, even though using them right now has no point). I read this joke and thought it was funny
A little boy goes to his dad and asks, "What is politics?"
Dad says, "Well son, let me try to explain it this way: I'm the breadwinner of the family, so let's call me capitalism. Your Mom, she's the administrator of the money, so we'll call her the Government. We're here to take care of your needs, so we'll call you the people. The nanny, we'll consider her the Working Class. And your baby brother, we'll call him the Future. Now, think about that and see if that makes sense,"
So the little boy goes off to bed thinking about what dad had said.
Later that night, he hears his baby brother crying, so he gets up to check on him. He finds that the baby has severely soiled his diaper. So the little boy goes to his parents' room and finds his mother sound asleep. Not wanting to wake her, he goes to the nanny's room. Finding the door locked, he peeks in the keyhole and sees his father in bed with the nanny. He gives up and goes back to bed. The next morning, the little boy says to his father, "Dad, I think I understand the concept of politics now."
The father says, "Good son, tell me in your own words what you think politics is all about."
The little boy replies, "Well, while Capitalism is screwing the Working Class, the Government is sound asleep, the People are being ignored and the Future is in deep poo."
HAHAHA, that is funny stuff. Good work, is that your first Zizzle post?
I just finished watching the first video, and will commence on the second shortly. That means I haven't gotten too deep into the Federal Reserve stuff yet, but as you suggest Hollywood, the rabbit hole may run deeper than the government level. Interesting. This would mean that the government itself is a puppet of a largely faceless controlling force. I've always assumed that politicians themselves were puppets, but puppets of government agencies. To imagine that they are puppets of private citizens is daunting.
It appears that the groundwork is being laid for accusing Chavez of being a terrorist and ruling a terrorist state. I don't know how many of you have been following the Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador conflict, but a little background: The Colombian military pursued a group of Colombian guerillas (members of the FARC - which has been declared a terrorist organization) into Ecuador, killing them in Ecuadorian territory and thereby violating Ecuador's sovereignty. As a result, both Ecuador and Venezuela mobilized their troops to the Colombian border in a show of force. There has been a tense standoff in the days since.
Most news outlets have been eager to point out that Chavez has vocalized support for the FARC, thus vocalizing his support for terrorism. It won't be long now...
My point with equating implanted chips to credit cards was this: I think we're a ways off from actually allowing chips to be implanted on a national level (despite the fact that isolated individuals are already doing it). There are large groups that would recoil at the very suggestion. I know my mom, for one, has opposed the idea for years. She considers them to be the mark of the beast.
But in reality, our chips come in other forms. They don't have to be implanted to make us reliant on them. Credit cards, bank accounts, identification, passports, etc., all serve the same purpose as these chips, and we are just as helpless without them as we would be if our chips got turned off.
P Corcs, I think we finally may agree on the Patriot Act. When I opposed it at the outset, it wasn't because I was afraid of it. I too had nothing to hide. But at some point we have to draw a line to protect our civil liberties, and I felt that giving the government the authority to spy on us without cause was a line that shouldn't have been crossed. And who knows, at the rate we're going we all may have something to hide in the future...It's just a matter of time until the NSA shows up at our doors.
Nato, good joke, and I like your use of (). I personally employ them because they're a great way to either emphasize a point or add a snide interjection. You can also use the dash - or the ellipses... but my feeling is that the dash is a forced attempt at modernity (or a cheap Dickinson knockoff), and I reserve the ellipses for other purposes.
Hollywood and "The Big O", welcome to Zizzle-Zot, etc.
I love Zot's vocabulary and philosophies of punctuation. He's probably the only dude I know who actually has a stance on and criticism for punctuation.
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