This started as a comment, but got a little long. So surprise…Bonus post!
I’m F$#%ing Ben Affleck is my favorite Ben Affleck role of all time. And a Josh Groban cameo?…genius.
To briefly respond to P Corc’s comments (starting with your first post): the “experience” issue is something that has bewildered me since the outset of the primaries. Why is Hillary trying to make this election about experience, when all this does is undermine her campaign should she actually get the democratic nomination? She’s a first term senator that has been elected to office a grand total of once. What is this experience she speaks of? Where does she get off saying she would hold up better against the Republican attack machine in a general election? Barack has at least gone through multiple elections.
Not to mention (and I’ve said this before), McCain was a POW while she was attending her senior prom. He was a senator when we were still in diapers. Experience doesn’t bode well for either democratic contender.
Moving on to your second post (responding in numerical order):
1) It’s no secret that I’m an unabashed Obama man. That said, what I’m about to say puts some pretty serious holes in his campaign, and I only bring this issue up because we’re all serious thinkers who either A) know which way we’re going to vote and are unlikely to be swayed much either way or B) are open-minded and intelligent enough to consider all the facts and weigh multiple perspectives before making decisions. Also, this is something that Obama will inevitably run up against should he survive the primaries (which he will), so we may as well start discussing it now.
Barack appeals to independent voters with his talk of change, and these independents (who see him as a like-minded independent) provide a considerable amount of his support. But if you look at his voting record (or just take a look at his Maverick points in Fantasy Congress), you will find that he rarely strays from the party line. He votes with the democrats 97% of the time (a party unity track record surpassed by only 5 other dems). Where’s the independence? This is something that concerns me quite a bit (as I am one of those independents currently propping him up). It’s an issue that he will need answers for come general election time or he may find himself bleeding independent voters to McCain.
On the other hand, he has crossed party lines to work on legislation, including working with McCain on ethics reform.
To get back to your response, PCorcs, will Obama be another party puppet? (I know how DC really works) Why buy into what he says? Because at some point we have to believe in the possibilities of the American Spirit (it is, after all, the very thing that has made us the most powerful nation in the world). The success of Barack’s upstart campaign has shown without a doubt that Americans are hungry for a change: that we are ready to hold our politicians to higher standards and are looking to individuals willing to move past prejudice in order to accomplish goals for the greater good. Barack himself has elevated his campaign (and potential presidency) to this lofty standard, and if he gets to office and fails us, there will be a public outcry (maybe the very catalyst we need to push us into revolution – not to sound crazy or anything). Business as usual will no longer do, and at this point, if Obama gets elected and doesn’t push towards change, I think we’re ready to do it for him. This segues into comment 2.
2) Will McCain be George Bush III? Yes and no. He’s less worried about peer approval, less apt to be coerced by an overbearing VP, less inclined to lie to the American people (whether it be by arrogance or ignorance). I like that he speaks and votes his conscience, seems to despise party lines, and irritates Repubs and Dems alike.
On the other hand, he shares the Bush foreign policy of threatening, bullying, and blowing up countries with worldviews that don’t align with ours. I, for one, think diplomacy can go a long way, and by extending a little respect to foreign leaders that we don’t see eye to eye with (yes, I feel American leaders should meet with the likes of Raul Castro, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and hell, even Kim Jon Il, without preconditions), showing a little sympathy to foreign cultures, and advocating peaceful resolutions, we can do wonders for our global image and start moving towards a nonviolent world. I realize these men and their regimes are guilty of human rights violations, treaty violations, nuclear violations, et al, but what is the aim of foreign policy? I personally think solutions are more important than retribution. What do sanctions and war accomplish other than punishing the very innocents that we are trying to liberate?
Let’s face it, the assumption that all countries will be best off with a democracy in the American mold is unrealistic. And the best way to urge a country towards civil liberty is not by killing everybody in it. Democracy by death will never work, and makes us little better than 21st century Crusaders.
To wrap up, George W. Bush has been a horrible president.
Thanks for reading.
Friday, February 29, 2008
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Good post Grubes...
I found the last point very good. GWB is terrible, so terrible. It is for that reason, maybe others too, that I probably will vote Democrat for the first time ever. I just can't justify voting for a Republican who, in my opinion, will not bring about the changes I think our nation needs.
I too, think Obama, atleast at the moment, seems to appeal to me best.
Ten paragraphs GONE! As it turns out, Chinese laptops are not as flawless as everyone keeps saying they are.
When my soul is restored, I shall return Zizzle-Zot. Mark my words.
I was sent this link. I would like to hear some of you alls thoughts on what this conspiracy theorist has theoristically conspired.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PpMdTmVMpo&feature=related
Hey p corcs. Watched the video. I was writing up a comment, but then it turned into a new post. I'm pretty excited about it. Look for it on Wed.
Just watched the video...
THEY ARE ALL OUT TO GET ME!!!!
I think this dude (or these dudes) have read too many Jerry B. Jenkins books (Hopefully you have seen the parallels). Impossible if you ask me. This is America. Notice how the narrator said that the people will choose the chip. Then, he claims that if you act out of line the gov't will turn your chip off and you will essentially be ostracized. So who's in control according to this guy? Is the gov't or are the people. Will the people GIVE this control to the government? It just won't happen.
These nerds that make these videos are the types that have graduated from "Dungeons and Dragons" to conspiracy theories. As compelling as it may seem, the video had few credible sources (the CNN and Good Morning America segments) and did anyone notice the alleged "Gov't Documents"? Now where did those come from?
I giggle at the rediculousness of these strung together evidences that produce this outrageous claim. If you ask me, this is mere propaganda put forth by people with too much time on their hands.
Can I get an Amen?
I'm excited for your post on Wednesday Gruber! I don't know if I'll be able to sleep.
Late night. I too like you had an initial response just as you have expressed. But then I watched it a second time and it got me thinking "what if?" It is just interesting where your mind can take you.
I do think you misunderstood the micro chip point. He was saying that the government won't have to force it on us because we will want it. Then when we do have it they will be in total control. We are all slowly giving away our freedoms.
Like I said I still think most of this video is crazy, but there is still just that ounce of me that wonders.
Pcorcs-
I understood it and reading back I realize I left my argument a bit ambiguous. I just don't think Americans are that stupid to buy into this chip idea as some kind of voted on or accepted mandate in which we willfully give our freedoms to the gov't to decide. Knowing that the gov't would be able to "turn off your life" if you cause trouble by their standards, Americans simply wouldn't allow this idea to become a mainstay in America, and lord knows its not about to lead to the one world government they suggest. (Which by the way wreaks of horrible eschatology which I have just decided to coin "Left Behindism". )
I agree with your sentiment that it does bring to mind how Americans are essentially giving away their freedoms simply due to laziness. We'd rather let someone else do things for us. This is unacceptable for a nation that is supposedly governed "by the people, for the people." I applaud all us Zotians who seem to be at least slightly informed and care about the state of our society.
Nevertheless, these dudes have made some overly intuitive, and painstakingly presumptuous arguments. Some of their evidence seems legit, but they ultimately have strung their evidence together to create a conspiracy theory that is held up by double speak which confuses the viewer into believing them. Baaah humbug! Fooey! I metaphorically spit on this idea and then kick dust at it.
Gruber- Post it now like Pat I can also not wait. to me the video is interesting on a couple levels and I also wonder What if. Cassel- if I have never play D and D can I still graduate to conspiracy theorist? Thats it Hollywood out
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5420753830426590918
More fuel for the fire. It is quite long, it is a good one to listen to while working.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7293595494223695612
One more just in case anyone cares.
Pat the first video you posted was tzken from this video which is 2 hours long but I wonder if any one else will watch it and have a take on it Gruber maybe you could watch it and make it a new post. Hollywood
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/main.htm
Saw the video, if true, pretty disturbing.
Quick comment -
Can't wait until Obama is President and I get to go wait in huge lines at the DMV to get my cavities filled by some sloppy government paid guy.
I was going to write a detailed explination why moderates and republicans could actually vote for Obama in good conscience. However, as the results pour in, it's clear to me that the bastards will always win.
Oh, and Noah, Obama wants to lower costs, not hand it over to the government.
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